Daniel S Syt
map-marker Richmond, Virginia

Find A Grave Complaint

Find A Grave this week must have blocked me from their website...not a clue WHY???... NO communication on WHY??? Is this really how these work? Can't even contact them to find out what the issue was/is? They just cut you off without an explanation....WOW....how can they be so unprofessional...I would think letting people know there is an issue is better customer service than just blocking people.I would like to find out what happened...Does anyone know how to contact these people? Has anyone else had a problem like this? How did you remedy the issue...
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Guest

When a person is blocked how do they do that?

Do they email people and explain to them why?

Do you just go to your account and you cant look up your memorials?

What does the "blocked" or Banned thing mean?

Guest

Sounds more like it was an issue with your own computer... than with Find A Grave.

They can close your account, but not literally block you from entering the site. Either way, glad the issue is now fixed for you.

Daniel S Syt

Find A Grave fixed the issue. Still do not know what happened.

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JOEY I Jkp
map-marker Tampa, Florida

FINDAGRAVE.COM

I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF =FIND A GRAVE .COM= AND A FREQUENT POSTER TO SAME / I HAVE ONLY BEEN CENSORED ONCE IN ALL MY YEARS OF POSTING = AND THAT WAS /I =JOSEPH F CARUSO,JR JOEY=POSTING UNDER MANY DIFFERENT SIGN ON NAMES POSTED NEGATIVE =AGAINST THAT *** BAG==ROBERT McNA/MARRA (sic)= recently = my email =SAYWHAT39@***.COM AND AKA JOSE CRUZ =JOEY I AM =JOEY CARUSO ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTED POSTING TO PEOPLE ON THERE/THIER DATES OF BIRTH OR DEATH= JANIS JOPLIN/ JOHNNY OTIS /TRINNY SILVA ETC =PLEASE INFORM ME WHY = FINDAGRAVE WHY? THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE JOSEPH F JOEY CARUSO/JOEY I AM /A SAYWHAT39@***.COM OR IF YOU WISH 10912 LIBERTY DRIVE ,PORTRICHEY ,FLA 34668
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I did not know how upset people were getting about me using different names on this website. I assumed because the site tracks the town and state people would be able to identify my posts.

In July something was wacky with the site.All my posts are listed under Madison Wisconsin from July 1, 2012 to July 27,2012 On July 28 it changes to Minneapolis, Minnesota. I will now stick to using one name to help you all out but if I forget remember all of July Madison WS and Minneapolis Minnesota to date.

Guest

Joey, I've read your posting several times and, like Go Giants, can only say "What?" We simply cannot understand what you are trying to say.

Guest

What?

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Robert M Gfb
map-marker Bozeman, Montana

Find-a-Grave corrects errors, ancestry.com rarely does.

It will be a sad day if Find-a-Grave ever sells out to ancestry.com. But recently they have added ads by Archive, so I doubt that will ever happen. The vast majority of people I have had dealings with on Find-a-Grave have been great, while the reverse is true for those I've dealt with on ancestry.com. It all depends on what type of person you are as to which group you will fit in with best. I see ancestry.com as very impersonal, with billions of records, many of them duplicated and never sorted out or corrected. Find-a-Grave, on the other hand, is quite personal and very dedicated to eliminating duplication and correcting errors. Read the FAQs before you join--it's their Website and they are surely allowed to have some guidelines for members to follow. I find it amusing that PissedConsumer won't allow Find-a-Grave's acronym to appear (capital F capital A capital G, which is how it appears in many cases on their own Website)--PC has certainly been taken to absurd lengths here.
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I think it is even more sad that my findagrave stalker has pulically posted her stalking activities. Placing in bold that JIM TIPTON COULD CARELESS THAT SHE IS STALKING PEOPPLE then uploaded it to twitter and face book. I then sent a screen shot to Tipton and the number of times the stalker uploaded it to twitter and facebook

Jessie Jtq
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That is not sad it is hilarious !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any website that promotes sociopaths to represent it does it's ownself in hahahahahahaha!

Guest

Ancestry Pays Jim Tipton to put ads on his site. Ancestry searches are now showing findagrave results but they also show roots web obituaries also.

Ancestry Pays Jim Tipton to post Ads for them.

He claims x amount of people visit his site a day so give me money and i will postr your ads. Its no different than when you see commercials in your favorite tv show the show brings the people to the ads.

Guest

F.A.G. has NOT sold out to Ancestry.

Guest

Ancestry.com does correct its errors. It corrects errors made by people transcribing.

I think its the other way around.

Findagrave takes forever to correct erros and sometimes doesn't at all. I'm glad findagrave "sold out" to ancestry!

Guest

they already sold out to ancestry

Guest

Anonymous, To move the memorial to another cemetery, go to the page, and down just bove the cemetery's name it says Burial:[edit]. Click that, then select Cemetery Burial (likely already chosen), then use that cemetery search feature to get the one you need.

Guest

I ACCIDENTALY POSTED FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE WRONG CEMETARY..SAME NAME, AND IN VERY CLOSE LOCATIONS...I WISH TO EXCHANGE LOCATIONS, BUT CAN'T FIND OUT TO DO IT.. :cry

Guest

find a grave should sell then all of the people who sat at pc. or laptops could see how they have been used then they can feel like a fool.

Guest

Some folks are so anal and have no life. I just give in and let them have it.

This is no different than my tale. Years ago I did 100's of cemetery surveys and folks never step on the soils and they are posting away. I have a person who pirated all the cemetery in Morgan, GA and will never make changes.

Always an excuse and I surveyed the cemetery and have to appeal to *** to add my links. I do not care for the glory, but a person should have to have shown where they go the cemetery fact from.

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Jake S Vhw
map-marker Hood River, Oregon

Quit complaining about ***

Attenshun, losers. I've been sent here by my colleegs at *** to tell you losers to quit yer ***. Just be thankful yer relations are listed on *** at all. For a long time I've been a majer force at *** along with my favorite moderator who you might know as the woman who wears a lampshade on her head. I'm writing this from my hospital bed, becuz of those *** hippy wall street protesters. A while back I posted a comment in the 99% thread telling a woman anarchist that I was glad she was pepper sprayed. Well, then a few days later the Seattle police pepper sprayed an 84 year old hippy woman. That got me so excited I started dancing a jig to celebrate and the rotten floor at my house on Pettijohn Creek Road gave way and I went crashin down, breaking my hip. Danm thos occupy protesters. Oh, well, every cloud has a silver lining. While layin here in my hospital bed I watched that heroic cop at UC Davis pepper spray cannisters of that stuff on those students sitting on the ground. Sure those students were peaceful, but who knows what violence they were capable of. Better to spray 'em first. That got me so excited I *** near wet my bed. Now you all quit yer ***. Pray for me in my pain and misery. Lucky me, I have government health care--can you imagine what this would have cost me if I had to pay for my own health care??? *** socialists.
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Guiseppe Xgy

Whoever wrote this is a troll and a coward. If you have a problem with me, act like a civilized person and lets discuss it. Making *** up like this is juvenile, and impresses no one.

Guest

I did not know how upset people were getting about me using different names on this website. I assumed because the site tracks the town and state people would be able to identify my posts.

In July something was wacky with the site.All my posts are listed under Madison Wisconsin from July 1, 2012 to July 27,2012 On July 28 it changes to Minneapolis, Minnesota. I will now stick to using one name to help you all out but if I forget remember all of July Madison WS and Minneapolis Minnesota to date.

Guest

you and deb dash can both play in a microwave you pests!

ANGEL s Oiv

why dont you go play in a microwave! BEWARE OF FIND A GRAVE, IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT PLACE IT WITH THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU LET'S GET RID OF THIS SITE!

IT CONTINUES TO PROFIT FROM VOLUNTEERS WALKING CEMETERIES AND CREATING MEMORIALS SO *** CAN BOAST OF ALL THE ENTRIES, THEY DO NOT APPRECIATE THEIR VOLUNTEERS!

NOT TO MENTION THE ADMINISTRATORS THAT PLAY FAVORITISM. DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ***, YOU WILL REGRET IT!!!

Guest

CYBER STALKER AND ACTVE FINDAGRAVE MEMBER UPLOADED TO TWITTER AND FACE BOOK THAT JIM TIPTON DOES NOT MIND CYBER STALKING OF OTHERS

Guest

hahahahahahaha! OMG!!!!OMG!!!hahahahahahaha!!!

please stop!!! hahahahahahahaha :grin

Guest

Pathetic. I know who you are, and you are not going to get a rise out of me.

Your posting was silly. You are a real credit to the progressive movement pal.

Guest

Wow you got no life seriously did you just ramdomly come about this site because you had no one to tlak to serious go complaint somewhere else.

Guest

Wow. Your "colleegs" sent you here? Are you telling us that you are the "smart" one of the group?

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Anonymous
map-marker Indianapolis, Indiana

Find a grave put my 6 year old daughters pic

Find a grave.com photographed my 6 year old daughter's headstone and put it online. I was aghast when it popped up on my monitor. I have contacted the prosecutor and state police. The prosecutor says that I can file a civil complaint about this infringement against the guy who took and posted the picture. This person will not answer my emails and the police have located him. I feel this infringes on my privacy, copyright laws and personal property of mine being placed on the internet for advertising purposes. I'll write again to let everyone know the outcome of this.
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Guest

I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to do that IF it was a public cemetery. Sorry.

Guest

Company Name Find A Grave Inc Headquarter PO Box 522107 Salt Lake City, UT, 84152-**** Tipton, Jim Marketing Executive Marketing Manager-Level jim@***.com Phone Number +1.801.671.4677 Industry Business Services Employees 25 - 100 Revenue $1 - 10M Ownership Privately Held

Guest

Good luck with that. Nolo bono is still in the legal dictionary.

If the pocket isn't deep, you have wasted your time, effort and money. There are more porductive uses of your time and more positive ways to celebrate the life of your daughter.

Guest

I hope that disgusting Tipton is found dead in a pool of his own, rancid urine and *** after drowning in his own vomit. He's a disgusting specimen of a vermin species. Go to ***, Tipton, you thieving SOB.

Guest

yeah all you f.a.g. members keep working to help jim tipton make millions you s...uc.....kers!

Find A Grave and its members are grave vampires!

STOP SUCKING THE LIFE OUT OF THE SURVIVORS SO JIM TIPTON CAN PROFIT FROM OUR LOVED ONES DEATHS!!!

Company Name Find A Grave Inc

Headquarter PO Box 522107

Salt Lake City, UT, 84152-****

Tipton, Jim Marketing Executive Marketing Manager-Level

jim@***.com

Phone Number +1.801.671.4677

Industry Business Services

Employees 25 - 100

Revenue $1 - 10M

Ownership Privately Held

Guest

Copyrights:

Newspapers and Copyright

Everything published in a newspaper is protected under copyright law. Copyright law grants the legal rights to a work of intellectual property to a certain party.

Web Content Is Copyrighted, Too

Just because content published on the web can be easily cut and pasted doesn't mean it is any less protected than content on the printed newspaper page. Newspapers are vigilant about protecting their copyrights, so if you're going to paste a clipping of an article to your company or organization website, always make sure you request the permission of the newspaper before doing so.

10 Big Myths about copyright explained

An attempt to answer common myths about copyright seen on the net and cover issues related to copyright and USENET/Internet publication.

- by Brad Templeton

Note that this is an essay about copyright myths. It assumes you know at least what copyright is -- basically the legal exclusive right of the author of a creative work to control the copying of that work. If you didn't know that, check out my own brief introduction to copyright for more information. Feel free to link to this document, no need to ask me. Really, NO need to ask.

1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."

This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly you should not risk it unless you know for sure.

It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something unknown, you shouldn't post that either.

The correct form for a notice is:

"Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]"

You can use C in a circle © instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used to be required in some nations but is now not legally needed most places. In some countries it may help preserve some of the "moral rights."

2) "If I don't charge for it, it's not a violation."

False. Whether you charge can affect the damages awarded in court, but that's main difference under the law. It's still a violation if you give it away -- and there can still be serious damages if you hurt the commercial value of the property. There is a USA exception for personal copying of music, which is not a violation, though courts seem to have said that doesn't include widescale anonymous personal copying as Napster. If the work has no commercial value, the violation is mostly technical and is unlikely to result in legal action. Fair use determinations (see below) do sometimes depend on the involvement of money.

3) "If it's posted to Usenet it's in the public domain."

False. Nothing modern and creative is in the public domain anymore unless the owner explicitly puts it in the public domain(*). Explicitly, as in you have a note from the author/owner saying, "I grant this to the public domain." Those exact words or words very much like them.

Some argue that posting to Usenet implicitly grants permission to everybody to copy the posting within fairly wide bounds, and others feel that Usenet is an automatic store and forward network where all the thousands of copies made are done at the command (rather than the consent) of the poster. This is a matter of some debate, but even if the former is true (and in this writer's opinion we should all pray it isn't true) it simply would suggest posters are implicitly granting permissions "for the sort of copying one might expect when one posts to Usenet" and in no case is this a placement of material into the public domain. It is important to remember that when it comes to the law, computers never make copies, only human beings make copies. Computers are given commands, not permission. Only people can be given permission. Furthermore it is very difficult for an implicit licence to supersede an explicitly stated licence that the copier was aware of.

Note that all this assumes the poster had the right to post the item in the first place. If the poster didn't, then all the copies are pirated, and no implied licence or theoretical reduction of the copyright can take place.

(*) Copyrights can expire after a long time, putting something into the public domain, and there are some fine points on this issue regarding older copyright law versions. However, none of this applies to material from the modern era, such as net postings.

Note that granting something to the public domain is a complete abandonment of all rights. You can't make something "PD for non-commercial use." If your work is PD, other people can even modify one byte and put their name on it. You might want to look into Creative Commons style licences if you want to grant wide rights.

4) "My posting was just fair use!"

See EFF notes on fair use and links from it for a detailed answer, but bear the following in mind:

The "fair use" exemption to (U.S.) copyright law was created to allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and education about copyrighted works without the permission of the author. That's vital so that copyright law doesn't block your freedom to express your own works -- only the ability to appropriate other people's. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to register at the New York Times web site? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't.

Fair use is generally a short excerpt and almost always attributed. (One should not use much more of the work than is needed to make the commentary.) It should not harm the commercial value of the work -- in the sense of people no longer needing to buy it (which is another reason why reproduction of the entire work is a problem.) Famously, copying just 300 words from Gerald Ford's 200,000 word memoir for a magazine article was ruled as not fair use, in spite of it being very newsworthy, because it was the most important 300 words -- why he pardoned Nixon.

Note that most inclusion of text in followups and replies is for commentary, and it doesn't damage the commercial value of the original posting (if it has any) and as such it is almost surely fair use. Fair use isn't an exact doctrine, though. The court decides if the right to comment overrides the copyright on an individual basis in each case. There have been cases that go beyond the bounds of what I say above, but in general they don't apply to the typical net misclaim of fair use.

The "fair use" concept varies from country to country, and has different names (such as "fair dealing" in Canada) and other limitations outside the USA.

Facts and ideas can't be copyrighted, but their expression and structure can. You can always write the facts in your own wordsthough

See the DMCA alert for recent changes in the law.

5) "If you don't defend your copyright you lose it." -- "Somebody has that name copyrighted!"

False. Copyright is effectively never lost these days, unless explicitly given away. You also can't "copyright a name" or anything short like that, such as almost all titles. You may be thinking of trade marks, which apply to names, and can be weakened or lost if not defended.

You generally trademark terms by using them to refer to your brand of a generic type of product or service. Like a "Delta" airline. Delta Airlines "owns" that word applied to air travel, even though it is also an ordinary word. Delta Hotels owns it when applied to hotels. (This case is fairly unusual as both are travel companies. Usually the industries are more distinct.) Neither owns the word on its own, only in context, and owning a mark doesn't mean complete control -- see a more detailed treatise on this law for details.

You can't use somebody else's trademark in a way that would steal the value of the mark, or in a way that might make people confuse you with the real owner of the mark, or which might allow you to profit from the mark's good name. For example, if I were giving advice on music videos, I would be very wary of trying to label my works with a name like "mtv." :-) You can use marks to critcise or parody the holder, as long as it's clear you aren't the holder.

6) "If I make up my own stories, but base them on another work, my new work belongs to me."

False. U.S. Copyright law is quite explicit that the making of what are called "derivative works" -- works based or derived from another copyrighted work -- is the exclusive province of the owner of the original work. This is true even though the making of these new works is a highly creative process. If you write a story using settings or characters from somebody else's work, you need that author's permission.

Yes, that means almost all "fan fiction" is arguably a copyright violation. If you want to publish a story about Jim Kirk and Mr. Spock, you need Paramount's permission, plain and simple. Now, as it turns out, many, but not all holders of popular copyrights turn a blind eye to "fan fiction" or even subtly encourage it because it helps them. Make no mistake, however, that it is entirely up to them whether to do that.

There is a major exception -- criticism and parody. The fair use provision says that if you want to make fun of something like Star Trek, you don't need their permission to include Mr. Spock. This is not a loophole; you can't just take a non-parody and claim it is one on a technicality. The way "fair use" works is you get sued for copyright infringement, and you admit you did copy, but that your copying was a fair use. A subjective judgment on, among other things, your goals, is then made.

However, it's also worth noting that a court has never ruled on this issue, because fan fiction cases always get settled quickly when the defendant is a fan of limited means sued by a powerful publishing company. Some argue that completely non-commercial fan fiction might be declared a fair use if courts get to decide. You can read more

7) "They can't get me, defendants in court have powerful rights!"

Copyright law is mostly civil law. If you violate copyright you would usually get sued, not be charged with a crime. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a principle of criminal law, as is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Sorry, but in copyright suits, these don't apply the same way or at all. It's mostly which side and set of evidence the judge or jury accepts or believes more, though the rules vary based on the type of infringement. In civil cases you can even be made to testify against your own interests.

8) "Oh, so copyright violation isn't a crime or anything?"

Actually, in the 90s in the USA commercial copyright violation involving more than 10 copies and value over $2500 was made a felony. So watch out. (At least you get the protections of criminal law.) On the other hand, don't think you're going to get people thrown in jail for posting your E-mail. The courts have much better things to do. This is a fairly new, untested statute. In one case an operator of a pirate BBS that didn't charge was acquited because he didn't charge, but congress amended the law to cover that.

9) "It doesn't hurt anybody -- in fact it's free advertising."

It's up to the owner to decide if they want the free ads or not. If they want them, they will be sure to contact you. Don't rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, ask them. Usually that's not too hard to do. Time past, ClariNet published the very funny Dave Barry column to a large and appreciative Usenet audience for a fee, but some person didn't ask, and forwarded it to a mailing list, got caught, and the newspaper chain that employs Dave Barry pulled the column from the net, *** off everybody who enjoyed it. Even if you can't think of how the author or owner gets hurt, think about the fact that piracy on the net hurts everybody who wants a chance to use this wonderful new technology to do more than read other people's flamewars.

10) "They e-mailed me a copy, so I can post it."

To have a copy is not to have the copyright. All the E-mail you write is copyrighted. However, E-mail is not, unless previously agreed, secret. So you can certainly report on what E-mail you are sent, and reveal what it says. You can even quote parts of it to demonstrate. Frankly, somebody who sues over an ordinary message would almost surely get no damages, because the message has no commercial value, but if you want to stay strictly in the law, you should ask first. On the other hand, don't go nuts if somebody posts E-mail you sent them. If it was an ordinary non-secret personal letter of minimal commercial value with no copyright notice (like 99.9% of all E-mail), you probably won't get any damages if you sue them. Note as well that, the law aside, keeping private correspondence private is a courtesy one should usually honour.

11)"So I can't ever reproduce anything?"

Myth #11 (I didn't want to change the now-famous title of this article) is actually one sometimes generated in response to this list of 10 myths. No, copyright isn't an iron-clad lock on what can be published. Indeed, by many arguments, by providing reward to authors, it encourages them to not just allow, but fund the publication and distribution of works so that they reach far more people than they would if they were free or unprotected -- and unpromoted. However, it must be remembered that copyright has two main purposes, namely the protection of the author's right to obtain commercial benefit from valuable work, and more recently the protection of the author's general right to control how a work is used.

While copyright law makes it technically illegal to reproduce almost any new creative work (other than under fair use) without permission, if the work is unregistered and has no real commercial value, it gets very little protection. The author in this case can sue for an injunction against the publication, actual damages from a violation, and possibly court costs. Actual damages means actual money potentially lost by the author due to publication, plus any money gained by the defendant. But if a work has no commercial value, such as a typical E-mail message or conversational USENET posting, the actual damages will be zero. Only the most vindictive (and rich) author would sue when no damages are possible, and the courts don't look kindly on vindictive plaintiffs, unless the defendants are even more vindictive.

The author's right to control what is done with a work, however, has some validity, even if it has no commercial value. If you feel you need to violate a copyright "because you can get away with it because the work has no value" you should ask yourself why you're doing it. In general, respecting the rights of creators to control their creations is a principle many advocate adhering to.

In addition, while quite often people make incorrect claims of "fair use" it is a still valid and important concept necessary to allow the criticism of copyrighted works and their creators through examples. It's also been extended to allow things like home recording of TV shows and moving music from CDs you own to your MP3 player. But please read more about it before you do it.

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In Summary

These days, almost all things are copyrighted the moment they are written, and no copyright notice is required.

Copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not, only damages are affected by that.

Postings to the net are not granted to the public domain, and don't grant you any permission to do further copying except perhaps the sort of copying the poster might have expected in the ordinary flow of the net.

Fair use is a complex doctrine meant to allow certain valuable social purposes. Ask yourself why you are republishing what you are posting and why you couldn't have just rewritten it in your own words.

Copyright is not lost because you don't defend it; that's a concept from trademark law. The ownership of names is also from trademark law, so don't say somebody has a name copyrighted.

Fan fiction and other work derived from copyrighted works is a copyright violation.

Copyright law is mostly civil law where the special rights of criminal defendants you hear so much about don't apply. Watch out, however, as new laws are moving copyright violation into the criminal realm.

Don't rationalize that you are helping the copyright holder; often it's not that hard to ask permission.

Posting E-mail is technically a violation, but revealing facts from E-mail you got isn't, and for almost all typical E-mail, nobody could wring any damages from you for posting it. The law doesn't do much to protect works with no commercial value.

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No public cemeteries are not "fair game" there is no such thing as "fair game" all gravestones, grave plots were purchased by family and NO ONE has the right to profit from taking pictures of them and putting on f.a.g. for tipton to profit from.

Don Wrt

:sigh

Private property is a no-no, but public cemeteries are fair game. As for me, if a member of the immediate family requests removal, I would comply from respect.

Guest

Nothing is more precious then remembering those family members we have lost. There is nothing illegal about posting photos taken in public places.

These people work hard and long for no pay. I lost my older sister while she was a baby. This made me happy that she isn't just a Rock somewhere.

There are some sick people out there who love to find fault with everything. Next you'll want the Internet shut don!

Guest

Nothing is more precious then remembering those family members we have lost. There is nothing illegal about posting photos taken in public places.

These people work hard and long for no pay.

I lost my older sister while she was a baby. This made me happy that she isn't just a Rick somewhere

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Anonymous
map-marker Minneapolis, Minnesota

I'm new to findagrave and after reading these complaints..

I am likely going to stop posting to the site. Reading about online stalkers, terrible admin. people, posters who will not return emails, etc. has gotten me worried. I saw one suggestion online, which was to write to ancestry.com to see if they might start a similar service. I am going to do just that, because in theory maybe some of the crazies will NOT have access to that website. I think like many issues with internet services, findagrave is free and entirely open to the public. That brings good things and bad things, obviously. I would be infuriated if some of the things that have happened to other users happened to me as well, and at this point I'm worried about those things occurring. And when the people who are supposed to be in charge are treating others with such intense disrespect and are being so petty, I think it's a big issue. The place sounds like it's being run by middle schoolers. Again, I have never had issues with the place. But it sounds like it's just a matter of time... So I am going to write to ancestry.com to ask them if they would consider starting a similar service, and I guess I'd suggest others do that as well. Good luck to all who are having issues.
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Guest

Yes, I'm a thief and there is nothing you can do about it. I will continue to profit from the deaths of your loved ones I will continue to violate copyrights.

How else can I get a picture of your loved ones unless I have my members steal them from the obituaries you paid to have printed in your local newspaper.

So what if you paid for the burial plot and the gravestone my website is going to profit from pictures of that gravestone. Deal with it I'm rich and greedy and nobody is going to stop me!

Guest

I left findagrave and now use billiongraves what an amazing site! A faster process built on teamwork.

I will never go back to the findagrave website.

It is neglected and people cyberstalk and bully on findagrave. It is just not a safe place to be.

Guest

After reading about find a grave, I hope to God that none of my loved ones are on that site. Maybe they should record pet cemeteries instead.

There initials for the site F,A.G are extremely offensive, it would be like starting a site with the abbreviation of the very offensive N word. And the reading the behavior of Tipton the owner of the site as well as the administrators they sound atrocious. Shame on tipton for making money off the dead by selling sponsor ships that get deleted. He might as well be a grave robber along with his administrators.

Free or not I'd rather pay for professionalism.

This Find A Grave site should be renamed Find A Powertrip. Horrible

Guest

After reading about find a grave, I hope to God that none of my loved ones are on that site. Maybe they should record pet cemeteries instead.

There initials for the site *** are extremely offensive, it would be like starting a site with the abbreviation of the very offensive N word. And the reading the behavior of Tipton the owner of the site as well as the administrators they sound atrocious. Shame on tipton for making money off the dead by selling sponsor ships that get deleted. He might as well be a grave robber along with his administrators.

Free or not I'd rather pay for professionalism.

This Find A Grave site should be renamed Find A Powertrip. Horrible

Guest

After reading about find a grave, I hope to God that none of my loved ones are on that site. Maybe they should record pet cemeteries instead.

There initials for the site *** are extremely offensive, it would be like starting a site with the abbreviation of the very offensive N word. And the reading the behavior of Tipton the owner of the site as well as the administrators. Free or not I'd rather pay for professionalism.

This Find A Grave site should be renamed Find A Powertrip. Horrible

Guest

I have seen the behavior mentioned and find that if I stay away from the forum the site retains it's charm

OH ?? If there are jerks in the forum why are they not being reported and removed ???

so it can be used by respectful people??? seems like a backward Idea to kick good people out by banning or scaring them out....So the abusive people can have the run of the place

Bill Vwv

Yes, friend, it's "just a matter of time".

And whatEVER you do, do NOT give them any money for ANYthing.

Guest

:cry

Ancestry.com? Don't they have enough of the market, lol, and one has to pay for access.

I have seen the behavior mentioned and find that if I stay away from the forum the site retains it's charm ;)

Rae Nwx

I am not new to find a grave, photographed and entered 1000's. There are many "contributors" who make their own rules and get by with it.

All that have posted about the forums and admin are very correct. I had a simple question that was not in FAQ and you cannot believe the hostility I was met with. That is twice and by same people. Some of these "pets" have over 20,000 - 40,000 posts-so you know they sit there all day.

Then you have the nice ones which try to attempt cover for the horrible people. You will be fine if only enter & photograph-I have met some great people too.

Good luck. Hope ancestry will come up with a site!!

Guest

Clydene, I agree with no headstones. I'm going to be cremated and thrown into the wind. My descendants wil have other pictures besides headstones to see.

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RJ J Nhq
map-marker Dallas, Texas

Find A Grave Protects Stalkers and Harassments

I signed up with this website 7 years ago... added 2 people I knew, NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE, thought they had their act together, until one of my own passed on, so I made a memorial for her since her sister decided to have a friend post an obituary in a newspaper cuting out the entire family and claiming to be the only living relative, whats the next thing?, Well here they all come, posting on Find a Grave Website on this memorial made, I even got an email from one of the whacks that are a friend and big trouble maker of the deceased and her sister,I got called mental, every name in the book, chasitized for posting a warning to this friend not to come on here and post that they are not welcomed etc. Well When I seen the display of sarcasmn, ridicule and slander... I wrote to the Administrator telling them to remove ALL of them except the ones that posted long before they did... oh they removed them alright but only left the sister up there when I made it clear to remove her because shes been following me all over, attacking me etc, yeah I reported it to every offical I could but it seems these people have more rights to slander and libel then we do when we are trying to respect their precious rules, *** me! If anyone sets up an account on this site they will be sorry and I do have the proof to back it up, I have had do delete the deceased's account 3 times now restarting a new one, they found it each time,posting and bugging. I dont know why anyone would expect someone to tolerate this type of behavior and not say a word or defend themselves, it seems just about every State has these lil glitches protecting this type of trash, I have no respect for this and its been now nearly 2 months since the deceased passed on which by the way was Dec 25,2010 by method of hanging, yes she committed suicide. Remember all your privacy is not private. This took place in another state from where I am, on top of this the deceased's aunt who is a C.S.W happily gave out the phone number and possibly my where abouts to the sister which she was not suppose to do, because where this is not even my own house nor is the phone in my name and it's really caused allot of friction and problems with the person whom does pay the bills here, I think thats messed up to allow someone to put your living status at risk on top of this ***! So take aim people, we all are being stabbed in the back by liars! And even if putting a complaint on here dont get nothing done, I am within my rights to freedom of speech! MY FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!! I hope its yours as well! God Bless you all! Good luck with the TRUST value, its 0 in my book!
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Guest

I was bullied by a member I have copies of all the messages with his attacks and threats, I have sent them to the attorney general, I suggest you do the same...since the administrator that wears the red lamp is the bully's friend she helped him by banning my account and ignoring my complaints. beware of members that have friends that are administrators they will continue to make bogus complaints until they get you banned.

Guest

I cannot believe i was a member of this site before I ran in to the the disturbing behavior, All it took was a 1 time encounter with an admin who bans and abuses FAQS and photo volunteers. I like another person I know have vowed to warn others about the shady side of this site and FG STALKERS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK DENISE HARDEN CHARLOTTE STOUVALL ALSO KNOWN AS PIXIE DIXIE BUGABOO AND CJ.

they block me on face book and log in under other names to read my posts :eek :upset :eek :upset :x looking up info on my kids. Hey Jim Tipton Good To Know You Protect stalkers but ban chalkers

Guest

I don't think these people know how how to pay attention to anything, skim through these complaints catching what they think suits them them remark on it like children. Your ignorance is showing, wonder how many times you embarrass yourself on a daily basis using the net to reply cause you don't have the integrity to face anyone in person, an article should be written about you and how immature you are, bet that would grab your nerves now wouldn't it.

Oh and Find a Grave is based out of Utah, so writing to the Attorney General of Utah regarding any of this sights so called administrations hassling anyone on these complaint sites should do the trick. The site should be more professional if it wants to build a good reputation of its use instead of sending its Chihuahua's to *** at the ankles of a user - that's pretty pathetic retaliation if you ask me.

Guest

Attacking anyone on any memorial is sinister. Its also illegal to harass and follow someone that is considered stalking.

Whether there is family issues or not, a site that advertises a business should provide standards to respect its users.

I agree the site should provide tools to avoid this type of nonsense, they would catch more bees with sugar.

Free service or not, it still provides a sponsership to make its money; the entire concept is to cover all basis irregardless of what others may seem to think or feel. That's the problem with today's society many dont think out the whole thing and that's what causes problems.

RJ J Nhq

@SG:Find a Grave has nothing to do with the info of someone being givin out... When this info was passed on to me, out of shock I myself being in another state put a memorial site up for my daughter which was attacked by others who have no eithics.

The policies of info on C.S.S.

are stated as fact, no person shall release any info of another, second of all by doing this it only caused problems by others. Never the less it was out of line and WRONG.

I am sure Find a Grave may mean well in its efforts to offer a service for those in mourning but when others like what I and perhaps others have had to experiance with no tools to remove or block a unstable poster this is where the problems arise.

Again Some dont use their brains and that's what God gave all a brain for, how you use it or abuse it is on You however there are consequences to be paid when its misused in a fashion not suitible to the other party. And no one should have to experiance that kind of behavior by anyone at any given time!

RJ J Nhq

@SG:Find a Grave has nothing to do with the info of someone being givin out... When this info was passed on to me, out of shock I myself being in another state put a memorial site up for my daughter which was attacked by others who have no eithics.

The policies of info on C.S.S.

are stated as fact, no person shall release any info of another, second of all by doing this it only caused problems by others. Never the less it was out of line and WRONG.

I am sure Find a Grave may mean well in its efforts to offer a service for those in mourning but when others like what I and perhaps others have had to experiance with no tools to remove or block a unstable poster this is where the problems arise.

Again Some dont use their brains and that's what God gave all a brain for, how you use it or abuse it is on You however there are consequences to be paid when its misused in a fashion not suitible to the other party. And no one should have to experiance that kind of behavior by anyone at any given time!

RJ J Nhq

Happy Graver Wrote:Exactly how were you scammed? You were NOT. You did not have to pay a dime to join or create a memorial.

Duh George, I never said I was scammed on Find a Grave, Get your facts straight as for the Aunt she is the one who foolishly gave out info where I was. Yes the family has this issue but I am not the one who created it, THEY DID And yes it is being dealt with, because for the better judgement was not good judgement.

And Yes the Website Does not monitor its activity and it does not offer any tools to remove posts not necessary, sounds to me like you work for them and dont want to be called on the carpet.

People who post a memorial do it so others who wish to visit in a decent way. Contacting them however can at times never be completed. Never the less I got the logs to back it up.

Guest

How does Findagrave have anything to do with the deceased's Aunt giving out inf on you ? I agree with Happy Graver's comments, the problem is with the family not the website. Hope the family can work things out, life is to short.

Guest

I don't see how Find A Grave is the source of your problems. Seems to me that the problems your having is with the family of the person you posted. NOT the website.

YOU made the choice to create the memorial page. Which can be found with a simple web search. Odds were pretty good that the family would find it. Find A Grave admins are not there to deal with squabbles between family and friends of those it memorializes.

Exactly how were you scammed? You were NOT. You did not have to pay a dime to join or create a memorial.

Your problems are rooted with the family not the website

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Anonymous
map-marker San Diego, California

Complaint for Find A Grave and Razoo

Find A Grave and Razoo.com are two websites which state that they are philanthropist intended. However, what they are doing is using information gathered under Freedom of Information to prey upon the charitable instincts of their website visitors. Find A Grave is NOT a non-profit, and they are soliciting donations on memorial pages. When one clicks on the "Support This Memorial" in the shape of a heart you think you are making a donation which will support a memorial site. Instead you are putting money--for profit--into the pockets of the members of Find A Grave. Any business or organization must gain permission from a non-profit org in order to solicit donations. Otherwise, under our laws it is not a lawful practice. Also Find A Grave shamelessly places Ads which are pay-per-click. Find A Grave states that one can remove the ads if a donation is made to Find A Grave. Extortion! Razoo.com appears to be billing itself as a non-profit. They are also doing the same thing but presenting a bit more understated. The same complaint applies to them. They took my ancestor's grave and mostly I don't like that they are taking funds away from the Foundation which we had to fight our way through all the red tape with IRS to get recognized. To maintain that, all non-profits have to maintain a certain level of donations to stay viable. We are very small and need all the direct help we can get. These websites also do not have a process in place whereby someone could prove how much or how little they are getting from the general public clicking on their pages. Do not support them in any way is my request. Write complaints to your Attorney General office. Protect the memories of those who are gone from these predators.
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Guest

This is a scam. I made a credit card "donation" to Big Cat Rescue in Tampa, only to discover on closer reading that Razoo is the internet version of a scam boiler room.

Stay away!!

Guest

Razoo is a scam- plain and simple they are a for-profit company who pay geeks like me to get them to appear first in google for charity searches. They then accept donations on behalf of the charities (they get them from a national database) but they never ask the charity if they can do this- because they don't have to if you read the fine print, they money doesn't go the the charity that you are looking at or want to help, it goes to a new little charity caled the "Razoo Foundation".

Let me repeat, any money goes to a foundation that they set up, and if you are good at lawyer speak you can read their terms and notice that they do not have to donate your money to any charity if they don't want to, thy can do what they please it is just their "normal practice" to screw people and charities out of their hard earned money. I wish more american's were smart enough to realize this conflict of interest that is going on and never donate money through this sketchy website.

For proof read their public documens, They took in 15 million from donors in 2012 but only gave out 13 million way more than their advertised 2.9 percent, they took the rest and spent some else ware and saved some because they can, for now. Let's do something about this.

Guest

I agree that many people are competing in a game to achieve numbers a member that goes by the name of MONKEY MOM. Is copying a on line local cemetery database to boost her numbers.

That is how most of them get high numbers. Taking false credit for the work of others rather than go out and do their own local cemeteries. This lady does not live in the state nor has she stepped foot in front of a stone in my state. I know because she is using my son as a number and wont delete it she would rather torment a mother who lost a child then lose a number....Transfers though have nothing to do with their number count even if they transfer they still have the same amount of numbers that they copied from other peoples work and death indexes.

It does however have everything to do with CONTROL!!!!! which goes hand in hand with policing ancestry trees for people using grave photos

Guest

When a member of findagrave refuses to transfer a memorial in which they are NOT related to the deceased that proves that they are only in it for the numbers.

They can deny it all they like, but the ones that post *** like "blah, we adhere to the 4 generations, blah, of the bada....well that only means they didn't create the memorial out of any concern for the family.

They are denying the wishes of the family, the family by the way that has LOST someone. The family that had to bury a loved one. The family that grieves and mourns.

These creeps that say "we do a lot of work to go out and volunteer out time and blah, blah, blah"....and then refuse to transfer - are cold, calculating, soulless individuals that that don't give two shites how anyone feels. Karma is big momma though, and she always collects!

Guest

Jim Tipton does prey on the charitable Not only that his administrators abuse the photo volunteer system by deleting pictures. he Fosters an environment for abusers to prey on the vulnerable sick really.

Guest

No one ever stated the *** is non-profit. They do not ever say this, it is free.

Why do you expect someone to work and do what they do for free?

Most sites charge an arm and leg and do very little. You go out and survey and photo a cemetery and see how hard it is.

Guest

If, on other hand, it is like twitter then it\'s cooler. twitter doesn\'t own your tweets, doesn\'t want to own them and can\'t take the entire body of tweets and all the accounts and sell them to someone. (At least as far as I know)

Guest

I would have a concern with the business model if it was like Ariana Huffington's, the Huffington Post: everyone writes for free (one even won a Pulitzer Prize this year) and Ariana makes a mint.

She was razed bad for it at this years Washington's Correspondents Dinner.

Is Findagrave the owner of every last thing uploaded to their site? If so, that is becoming an extremely valuable database that they can sell or leverage. Until the advent of the internet, I never heard of people working for free for for-profit companies like they do now.

If each photographer owns their photos, and each poster owns their posts, then that's a different story. findagrave then earns on advertising only.

Guest

Wow, I had no idea how these collectors worked. I found my family's grave and sent a thank you note to the person who photographed and posted it, thinking she was just a volunteer who had contributed a bunch of local gravesites where she lived.

So, if I wanted to provide extra information to post on that entry i would have to either do it through her or get her to give it up?

Do these collectors make money somehow? Is that why some of them do it?

Transfers are where a family member contacts the collector and says, Hi, I want to manage my family's entry on findagrave? And what is happening is some of these collectors are saying no? How twisted!

Well, luckily, at the moment, I am glad that someone else is busy doing the work and am not planning in the near future to ask for a transfer.

Otherwise, right now, the site has been remarkably valuable in some genealogical research I am doing on my family. It's truly amazing how many records are up and posted.

Guest

I had never even heard of Razoo until now. By looking at their website, I don't see any connection to Find A Grave.

It must well exceed six degrees. It seems to be a place for a group in need of funding can streamline the giving process.

Find A Grave is provided free of charge to users whether they contribute or not. You can look at graves til the cows come home and never pay a cent.

Technology and bandwidth cost money and with 80 million memorials, I bet it isn't cheap. By offering pay-per-click advertising, it keeps it free to the consumer. If you choose to sponsor a memorial, you remove the ads from that memorial and your five bucks offsets the loss of pay-per-click revenue. I am afraid you misunderstand the definition of extortion.

You are not having money taken unlawfully by any stretch of the imagination.

If you click, you pay nothing. If you voluntarily sponsor, you do so by choice because you want the ads removed.

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Anonymous
map-marker Tyler, Texas

Find A Grave

All the information I have given to them and now I can not get any information without Ancestry wanting to charge me. That is the last time I will give any additional information to this site. This doesn't seem right to me. I didn't mind giving the information but I will not pay or join Ancestry to get any more information I will find another way to get the information I need to do my research. How does everyone else feel about this? It takes all the fun out of this site that was one time free access.
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Guest

I did not know how upset people were getting about me using different names on this website. I assumed because the site tracks the town and state people would be able to identify my posts.

In July something was wacky with the site.All my posts are listed under Madison Wisconsin from July 1, 2012 to July 27,2012 On July 28 it changes to Minneapolis, Minnesota. I will now stick to using one name to help you all out but if I forget remember all of July Madison WS and Minneapolis Minnesota to date.

Guest

I understand your frustration with the site if your confused about what is going on you can go to the help section and email someone who wont respond. You can read the FAQS and try to find the answer that way but they typically do not apply and are not enforced. You can go to the forum for help to be told you are *** and to go read the faqs.

Guest

This site does not come up on any search engine. It has been like this for sometime. What's wrong?

Guest

Find A Grave is now and will always be a free site. Ancestry is not free, but I still pay a monthly fee to access their files.

*** and Ancestry are not connected in any way.

If you don't like how either of them do business, then don't use their sites! Very simple!

Guest

Two site, not connected.

Guest

Find A Grave is still free. There are Ancestry advertisements on Find A Grave, but you don't have to use those links.

Guest

You do not have to pay Ancestry.com to access Find-A-Grave.

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Anonymous
map-marker Denton, Texas

Find a grave scam

A morbid person named June posted memorials on my wife and my brother. Then this same person left derogatory comments about me on those same memorials.

I complained to Find a Grave and instead of removing the comments, they removed the memorials even though I am a member of Find a Grave. June sent me terse and very smart *** emails which I forwarded on to Find a Grave. I have discovered that the "field" reps (like June)who wander around cemeteries making pictures are all powerful in controlling individual memorials. Find a grave is a cruel scam site.

All driven by money.

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Guest

Yep they are scammers who work in your business. our people learned this from firsthand experience.

Guest

Your complaint is just another of many complaints about Find A Grave unscrupulous administration...

Anita B Orn

Find A Grave is getting to big not to be mannaged by people who have experience Tipton uses his big numbers to show advertisers he can bring X amount of people to the site. This makes Companys like ancestry and world vital records post adds on his site he gets paid.

The numbers and competitive nature of people is cancelling out the respect to the living who feel the strangers using their child's name as a number buried in the wrong cemetery and in correct death date is disrespectful. Most of the memorials are bogus so you cant be getting that much help.

Penny P Jrb

There are two different types of users on Find A Grave, or any other collaborative web site. There are people who contribute, and then there are people who use the system to feed their need for power.

I think that the leadership at Find A Grave are good people who don't earn a dime off the site. The donations and income generated by grave sponsorships help to keep the site up and running (these things just don't happen for free).

The problem starts when you get a core group of users who begin to seize an ownership stake in the site, and all others be damned.

Yes, Find A Grave will correct incorrect information. But they also allow bullies to control the Members Forum, trolls, harridans and harpies who skirt the rules on communication, and then there are the people who are effectively anti-social nerds who demand all other do as they say or face immediate and harsh punishment (and I have encountered such a harpy - and she will remain nameless) so I know of what I speak.

Find A Grave needs to make some rules of governance and start acting like a real site instead of a startup. Its past that stage.

Guest

Las...what $39.95?

Guest

I thought it was a good thing to begin with for genealogy reasons and it still is yet i have seen memorials made before the flowers wilted on a grave its all about numbers and now there is a "nasty mouthed" person who ruins personal memorials and gets away with it I say it was a good thing at first but now its time to shut it down!

Guest

I don't believe it's a scam, but some things about *** upset me. They get people to work for them for free--creating the memorials and taking photos, and they do so by playing on people's competitive nature and feelings of sympathy. In the process, the site owner makes a fortune off of the $5.00 sponsorships. It's cleverly disgusied but is all for profit. What's more *** gets the copyrights to everything submitted.

I used to contribute until I realized these things. I too have ran into some very small and petty people there, so I don't hang around there anymore.

I always wondered if someone would take offense at someone else creating listings for their family.

Guest

what is the phone number, I would like to get my 39.95 back. There is no cancellation on the website.

Thanks

Bill Vwv

"SCAM" is an Understatement.

*** is nothing more than a collection of petty thieves.

If you care to send good ol' Jimmy some "fan mail": jim@***.com

Guest
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What do you get when you join findagrave? Free membership you only have to give your email address when you register.

Your email is then passed around to all the admins. They sit and wait until you have added lots of data to their site and spent money to sponsor memorials. Members are monitored by admins hiding behind fake names. No one can accuse the admin of unprofessional behavior if they wont give there real name.

Once you have provided lots of data you are bullied until you quit. They never delete your memorials and now you cant delete them either. They continue to earn money on your work.

You feel like you have been used and you dont read these complaints until its too late. A GREAT big scam.

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divatuff
map-marker Tustin, California

Findagrave deletes

I have posted several memorials to Greenwood and Oakwood cemeteries in Montgomery, Alabama and had them deleted. One person is responsible for this Denise #4698****. She has just deleted my memorials and entered the same memorial with her name on it. One day my memorial is there and the next day it is gone. There have been a couple of times she claimed they were duplicates; but the birth and death dates are different. Sometimes the names are close but anyone can tell it is not the same person. I have complained to findagrave about her but nothing is been done. After reading the comments here I understand a little better about how findagrave runs. It is a shame that they are letting people like this represent them. It will be their downfall. You don't hear about many complaints because they do delete people off their website if they complain too much. This happened to a friend of mine who complained about this same person. I think about leaving the website; but I have been a member for over 5 years and have put a lot of work into it. If my work keeps getting deleted I want have a choice. I am glad for the chance here to express complaints and hope others will feel free to do so. This is the only way we can change things.
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Guest

After reading about find a grave, I hope to God that none of my loved ones are on that site. Maybe they should record pet cemeteries instead.

There initials for the site *** are extremely offensive, it would be like starting a site with the abbreviation of the very offensive N word. And the reading the behavior of Tipton the owner of the site as well as the administrators they sound atrocious. Shame on tipton for making money off the dead by selling sponsor ships that get deleted. He might as well be a grave robber along with his administrators.

Free or not I'd rather pay for professionalism.

This Find A Grave site should be renamed Find A Powertrip. Horrible

Guest

I don't know anything about you except that you have a twisted recall of events and exaggerate and stalk peoples kids, because you advertise it. you stalked me i dint stalk you so i cant send you an email. why so you can tell me you have my IP address

Guest

what you are is a liar who targeted someone and complained to an admin so you could control an entire cemetery so no one thinks your an admin we do think you are is a verbally abusive stalker that lies and that is really all it takes.

1 thread = every thread 1 memorial= is 75 million.

Anita says flying monkeys cronies and corpse hoarder Denise do you need me to show where you authored and created those words. Strange no reference of me using them but i am posting links to where you

Anita is following me yet you provide proof of following Anita and none that demonstrates she was following you this site sends you an email.

in order to determine any truth to your twisted intake of events and your perception of them, it seems i would have to take everything you accuse charlene of and turn it around. so you stole pictures and lied to admins claiming Charlene stole them. That is how you presented it to admins who took your word for it but it was a lie because admin did not know you blame others for your own crimes you had to stop her because you are in charge of a cemetery. The lady you accused could not defend herself not knowing when you play that you lie to benefit your own needs. She also did not know what you lied about so she could not defend her self.... Now Charlene never gave me the hole story she couldn't because YOU FLIPPING SCARE HER! STALKING HER KID AND BROTHER NOT HeR DEAD RELATIVES DENISE HER KID AND BROTHER they are alive !!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously my brother has a personality disorder and he does the same thing commits a disturbing act he find sick and says someone else did it and scolds them for it....He also exagerates openly like you do 1 memorial = 75 openly and gets busted because he cant keep track of all his lies....NO ONE WONDERS WHY YOU WERE CHASED AT GUN POINT NOW THAT YOU ARE STALKING MY KIDS

Guest

I am still not an administrator, don't have one in my pocket and the woman in question had her account suspended because she misrepresented someone else's work.

Since you seem to know so much about me send me an email.

PS this is how you spell exaggerate

Guest
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Yes you are an admin.

Your name is ----- We all know it.

Everyone Everyone is onto the scams

You use the same old insults over and over down to the "exact" words.

Everyone is leaving this site because of you.

Hide behind user names. Your words and your style of writing give you away. People have saved your comments to provide to the police.

Guest

you dont have to be an administrator you just have to have one in your pocket. That being said your argument is not valid.

So maybe Jessica you should use your brain and think outside the box and not assume it still cant be done. The hoarder I dealt with lied lied 3 times about her memorial status and moved it around.

In tight with an administrator you can get what you want from the administrators. Denise here has a tendency to exagerate facts go read her verbal assault against this poor lady and she even drags some of her family through the mud

Guest

And I am not an administrator. You have been a member as long as me which is four years.

I just had you beat by two weeks.

Stop trying to bend the rules to suit yourself.

It ain't your sandbox and you would not have lost your "work". :grin

Guest
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Yes you are an admin...

No its not anybody's "sandbox" it is a "litterbox"

You think we dont know that admins can change the site to make it look like they have not been members for long, steal other people's work, rip people off, backdate memorials and hide behind user names

Guest

Unless someone is a Find A Grave administrator, they cannot delete others' memorials. Use your head.

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Granny
map-marker Saint Peters, Missouri

Find a Grave.com has'nt responded to request

I recently became a member of Find a Grave.com and was excited about adding family memorials. Unfortunately, I forgot my password. I emailed a request to Find a Grave and they said they emailed my password to me, but they haven't! I've submitted request repeatedly but I've never received a response. I can't access any memorials I've done, nor can I submit new ones. I'm just disappointed about what I thought was a great way to submit information for memorials and genealogy use. I'm retired grandma and was looking forward to doing all this stuff. This is first time for a post, all new to me. If anyone knows how to help or fix this, would appreciate it.
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Guest

ask for help.. oh wait you cant get anyone to respond and if you do ask for help they caqll you idiotic

Guest

Thank you for the suggestions. I will give them a try.

Guest

There is no need to post or interact with the other users on the forum though. Simply send a pm to the one of the listed mods/admins on the forum to take care of the issue stated above.

Guest

DON'T got to the forums. They will attack and belittle you.

Guest

Register on the Find a Grave forums and then send a pm to one of the moderators there with what you stated above. This seems to work the fastest. Good luck!

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Rose A Bpk
map-marker Reston, Virginia

Find A Grave: CemetaryPhoto Removal

Hi I went to add some flowers to friends and relatives virtual memorials on Find A Grave this morning, and found that all but one of 15 grave/mauseleum photos had been removed. They Had been taken and put up on my memorial pages by volunteer who had my permission to do so. I am dissbled and annot travel and those photos of my Mom, Dad, sisterAunts, and dear friends meant so much Others have have had their cemtary photos remove too Why did they do this If anybod could she light on thisit would be deeply appreciated T hanks Rose
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Guest

Please do not listen to the follow the rules and you will be fine i did listen to that and a lady who adds names from death indexes to random cemeteries had mine deleted in the correct cemetery and threatened the family members in her public bio probably the administrators mom 505 Firefly

Guest

I have been slapped for this before, but NBC news stated that if you load your photos to a digital web site like *** or Facebook, you lose your claim to that photo. *** can even sell that photo.

But on the same story, folks on this site are literally copying copyrighted books and posting here. They claim public domain. Public domain is for government officials, not ***. Public domain can be used everywhere, but that is just an excuse.

I would like for the Supreme Court to rule on this.

I expect in the very near future with enough complaints to the attorney general of each state, this will stop. If not the ones doing it will be fined or *** shut down.

Guest

It's pompous to believe that because someone has provided a (free) service to you that it entitles you to steal it and use elsewhere. Ancestors are not "property" but intellectual materials and photographs are.

Did you steal all your term papers, too, just because someone already published the information and you managed to get your grubby fingers on it?

I've never denied anyone using my photographs, but luckily - most people I've met have had enough tact to ask permission and offer to leave a credit to me.

Some photos have even been used in publications without compensation and I'm fine with that. A decent attitude, a little appreciation, and offering to respect their work goes a long way.

Guest

@Grave finder.

I received an email from Ancestry.com that one of the photos I uploaded was flagged as copyrighted and that I should remove it. That blew my mind.

My ancestors grave copyrighted?! So I took it off my family tree and requested for ANOTHER volunteer to take the photo and mentioned that it would be for our family tree even BEFORE the new photo was taken. It was, and the person said no prob you can use it! But low and behold, after having this back and forth conversation with cluckymom at findagrave, telling her how dare she think its ok to photograph someone's family headstone and then MAKE them ASK permission if they can use it...well, I find myself banned from the forums and my profile deleted.

All I have to say is: Forget that madness.

I thought Findagrave was a godsend, now I know that site is all about people trying to CLAIM the rights of my ancestors final resting place just so they can have power over others. *** off.

Guest

"How Sad" --I am a photo volunteer and encourage others to use my photos. It makes me sick to see other volunteers mad that people use their photos.

I am here to help others, not get glory for myself. If you are so concerned about copyright and getting credit, you should stop photographing.

Guest

I am a volunteer on *** and I have readily given permission to anyone who has asked for them to use my photos on their own website or family trees.

The point is, the proper thing to do is to follow forum guidelines and get permission before using the photographs.

Guest

That there are those who choose not to follow guidelines established on a website. Someone is kind enough to go out and find specific graves and take photographs of the headstone -- without compensation, giving their own time, and gas to get there.

Then the recipient of the volunteer's kindness is repaid by someone disregarding the guidelines of the website and copies those photos for publication on a different website. Wow.

Really does encourage people to want to volunteer, doesn't it? Did you bother to even contact the photographer in advance and ask if they would mind?

Guest

File a copyright complaint with my ISP? Hahaha!

"Unbelievable", you are just plain nuts. No, she didn't have to take the pictures, but she did. If she didn't want me to have them, she could have let another volunteer do it.

The pictures are staying on my site. Get over it.

Guest

Unbelievable, your crazy rant is so precious, earnestly citing some ambiguous "FEDERAL LAW", asking people if they are "slow", I am picturing you as some old crone with dial up, neck veins bulging out while you furiously type your "threats". So cute.

Sadly it does not change the fact that no one cares that you and "many people are very actively filing complaints" Who exactly are you complaining to to? The Supreme Court? I don't think they take complaints. You can file complaints all day long, nothing is going to happen, you know it, I know it and the people "lifting" your pictures know it.

I think I may file a complaint about you to someone about your atrocious grammar and your bullying of the OP.

You don't want people to take your so-called copyrighted picture? (Puh-leese :roll ) Don't post them online to a site that gets upwards of 10,000,000 hits a day. It really is just that simple or ARE YOU SLOW?

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The photos are copyrighted. As to who to complain to, the website or its ISP.

Hit them with a takedown notice. Any site foolish enough to ignore takedown notices is risking a lawsuit and copyright lawsuits are easy money for attorneys. Many are settled out of court or before judgment and it's why you rarely hear about the majority of copyright lawsuits.

Ask Roni Loren how much it cost to use photos they thought weren't copyrighted. Many volunteers are professional photographers and they have a full copyright protection on all of their works instead of the basic copyright.

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maryalice L
map-marker Ewing, Illinois

Find A Grave

Find A Grave
I am member of the Find A Grave forums, but probably not for much longer. On September 26, 2009, under the thread: Subject line reaction was the following joke: "Subject: How do I grave Thought: Find a eager, but not too bright of an assistant. A hunchback would be perfect, and . . . " When a new member pointed out that the joke was not funny (she stated she had Scoliosis) some of the forum members got very rude with her. She tried to get an Administrator to "pull" the joke, but two Administrators thought the joke was funny and no one did anything about the joke. Please if you think this type of joke was truly inappropriate, please email them at: info@***.com. Thank you.
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Guest

Find A Grave was sold to Ancestry a year ago or more. Now they delete you're account...even though you have been with the site since the beginning.

They also delete you're memorials you set up for you're family at their whim. They steal you're records because when they delete you're account they keep you're family memorials and lock you out.

I believe this is illegal. Getting someone to do work for you where you profit and they don't is called slavery and that is illegal in the United States.

Guest
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Hey, you're is a contraction for "you are" not "your" as in the possessive "Your family".

just saying

Guest
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They only banned you for not following the rules. They remove doubles and if you have burial unknown and it is added to a cemetery the unknown gets removed.

When you join you agree to follow their rules. Do as you want gets you kiked off as it should be.

Guest

Looks like that person was in the Lounge, and in there, almost anything goes. I too have Scoliosis but can have fun with it to keep from being depressed over it.

You dont like it, dont go there.

Too many other places to go and things to do on there. Maybe the admins should have deleted it when she asked but like I said, I can make a joke out of it instead of focusing my life on a disability.

Guest

Find-a-grave sucks....in SO many ways. Move on because you are better than those losers.

Guest

this site is not worth your attention move on before they suck the life out of you they are vampires

Guest

Yes I am a f.a.g. hag and the devil and I love to torment others.

I am soo sorry that I have become such a hateful fool and have nothing better to do than attack and make fun of others but what else am I to do...be nice or no not me. The only virus I found on my computer was herpes & syphilis...I have been a bad hag!

Guest

So sorry about my previous response...I do agree it was NOT a joke and the website if full of people like me and the author of the joke that careless about people and we like to use our freedom of speech to attack others...I know I am just a hateful hag please forgive me I know I am going to hades since I have more in common with satan.

Guest
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Indeed my friend. I learned the hard way not to haggle with an old bag-hag on FDG.

Hags are not cool.

Truly The evils advocates. :sigh :cry

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WOW-WEE!

I've been thinking here just a bit, and I think I will forgive you for being an old nag on ***. It is not every day that we can get an apology from a real live HAG.

Thank you soooooooo much!

Best wishes :roll

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toshiuekaeru
map-marker Salem, Oregon

Find a Grave. Sacrilegious vulgarity.

Who gave anyone at this "hobby site", the "right" to stand on my father's grave and take a picture of his tombstone? Unlike the many "famous" people and their graves that begin this site... it has now devolved into a grave violating hobby for a bunch of people who have nothing better to do than to aspire for "top honors" for the greatest number of graves, (of private citizens), photographed (violated), documented, and splayed across the Internet. Some even have the audacity to post warnings as to the "copyright" status of these photographs.

How do you explain to your 92 year old mother why some stranger is standing on her husband's tomb taking photographs? How do you explain to her why the picture of her husband's tomb is splattered across the Internet? How do you answer her question about why some stranger "owns" the copyright to the photo of her husband's tomb?

This is vulgarity beyond measure.

Time to start getting some "grave desecration" and privacy laws updated...and getting some lawyers to start earning their annual retainers.

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If F.A.G. members choose to have their contribtuions deleted the administrators should remove them even is another member has foolishly sponsored the memorials.

F.A.G. is stealing members photos, memorials stealing obituaries, obituary photos. They continue to violate Copyrights just so Jim Tipton can profit from the deaths of our loved ones. F.A.G.

does not provide a service they are NOT free and they ARE a for profit company yet they do nothing the members do all the work while Jim Tipton profits millions every year from thefts of copyrighted photos and obituaries.

F.A.G. equals Copyright Violators equals Federal Law Violators!

Guest

I did not know how upset people were getting about me using different names on this website. I assumed because the site tracks the town and state people would be able to identify my posts.

In July something was wacky with the site.All my posts are listed under Madison Wisconsin from July 1, 2012 to July 27,2012 On July 28 it changes to Minneapolis, Minnesota. I will now stick to using one name to help you all out but if I forget remember all of July Madison WS and Minneapolis Minnesota to date.

Guest

FIND A GRAVE MEMBER LKAT IS NOTHING BUT A FILTHY VULTURE, SHE STANDS ON FRESHLY BURIED VETERANS GRAVES (BURIED THAT DAY) @ FORT SAM HOUSTON NATIONAL CEMETERY. I HAVE WITNESSED HER FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS STANDING ON FRESHLY BURIED VETERANS GRAVES & THEIR SPOUSES GRAVES TAKING PICTURES OF THE TEMPORARY MARKERS SO SHE CAN RUN HOME AND CREATE A MEMORIAL.

MY GRANDFATHER WAS BURIED THERE 2 YEARS AGO AND I SAW HER BEING A VULTURE AND ASK WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE WAS DOING...TURNS OUT SHE IS A FIND A GRAVE VULTURE!

FEEDING OFF THE DEATHS OF VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILY.

Guest

ALL FIND A GRAVE DOES IS PROFIT FROM THE DEATHS OF LOVED ONES WITHOUT PROVIDING A WORTHY SERVICE, THEY STEAL OBITUARY NOTICES & OBITUARY PHOTOS THAT HAVE BEEN PAID FOR AND PROVIDED BY THE FAMILY, THE PROFIT FROM TAKING PICTURES OF GRAVESTONES THAT FAMILY HAS PAID FOR AND THEY PROFIT FROM THE SPONSORING OF MEMORIALS OF LOVED ONES. IT IS INDEED AT THE VERY LEAST SACRILEGIOUS NOT TO MENTION OUT RIGHT THEFT!

Guest

Hey Charlotte know what a house is not my sons grave marker. Just because it is legal it does not make it morally or ethically right. if you are making someone feel violated and defending it ""WOW"" meet a member of findagrave where the abusive prey on the vulnerable

Anita B Orn

People should not have to explain why they feel violated when a stranger is photographing their dads,moms,child's,or grandparents etc.graves. For the purpose of posting it on the internet. Then creating a memorial for someone they don't know. An Obituary is not written without the help of a Friend or family member and a memorial is usually done by someone who has knowledge of that person. A stranger! might just lob someone in the wrong cemetery RIGHT JULIE!!

What are some potential problems of a stranger creating a persons memorial. Well one daughter thinks:

. I found errors on my mother's memorial and per your instructions I have noted the errors in a message to the creator of the site, however, it bring up an important question. Why do you allow those who have NO KNOWLEGE of family history to supply details about a person they know possitively NOTHING ABOUT. I HAPPEN TO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE PERSON WHO DECIDED IT HER RIGHT TO ADD INFO ABOUT MY MOTHER, HAD NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HER FAMILY OR THE INFO WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REPORTED INACCURATELY. I do have some advice to all your "creators" whoever they may be. DON'T PROVIDE DATA IF YOU AREN'T PERSONALLY INVOLVED!!!

Julie it is more odd that you cannot identify with the emotions of anyone other than yourself.

Guest

I am a findagrave contributor. I am not doing photo request to be rewarded.

No, that's not true. I am doing photo request to be rewarded when some relative post that they would like to have a photo of their loved ones tombstone.

My reward is them saying, "thank you." Even if they don't say thanks. I can rest easier knowing that I helped someone.

Guest

I can not find this company

Guest

Get a life. Do you get upset when maintenance staff run a lawn mower over your dead father's grave?

So what if they're standing on the grass six feet about where your father rests, atleast they're not sitting or standing on the gravestone. 8)

Guest

We bury the family in the backyard so it is private.

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